Look for "perfectsystem follow up" and read...
for thoso are too busy, or lazy, or trust on what i write here, here is the "past & copy" result of the thread..
giotto
25 Jun 13:02
the 25 of may i started a my own system which would be able to generate a consistent number of lays with profit. fist of all: the experimentation was true, honest and affordable. Nowadays, till yesterday, the system generated 307 horses to be laid, and two of them won (cavallo di ferro on 31 of may e zantero on 15 of june). Starting with a bank of 5.000 points, and risking, for each lay, a maximum of 1.000 points, the cumulate profit is of 13.875 points (yes thirteen thousands ).How the system worksthere is an automated phase, were races and horses are thrown away. Then there is a rethinking phase. During this second, other horses or races are avoidedi. Never the second step increases the number of horse to be layed.First statisticsI always refer to betfair odds.Minimum odds (bf odds) to be layed : 3,0. Maximum 480.In the 3-10 range i layed 21 horsesin the 11-15, 27 horsesin the 16-25 57 horsesin the 26-40 52 horsesin the 41-75 57 horsesin the 76-100 13 horsesin the 100-150 15 horsesover 21 horsesfor a sum of 263 horses (to 15 of june)Days with a losing net : 1 (the day of zantero, the loss was -166 euros)Some featuresThe system doesn't start from odds (e.g. systematically laying horse at big odds).The system, nowadays, has successfully avoided the laying of 207 (two on 209 on total only won)big odds horses. these are data of horses winning at more than SP of 10. These data are updated to yesterday, so are a good point of starting.At odds of 10 (SP) won 32 horses (15,31% of total big odds horses)At 11 12 horses (5,74%)at 12 40 horses (19,14%)at 14 36 horses (17,22%)at 16 29 horses (13,88%)at 18 2 horses ((0,96%)at 20 19 horses (9,09%)at 21 1 horse (0,48%)at 22 2 horses (0,96%)at 24 1 horse ( 0,48%)at 25 16 horses (7,66%)at 33 10 horses (4,78%)at 40 1 horse (0,48%)at 50 3 horses (1,44%)at 66 2 horses (0,96%)at 80 1 horse (0,48%)at 82 1 horse (0,48%)at 100 1 horse (0,48%)these data are the proof that he sysatem has, due to his enegineering, the force to avoid laying winning outsiders...So, what ?today, till the 30 of june, i'll post a list of "non winners" for you..you'll can directly verify what i'm telling you...good luck
Ivor
25 Jun 13:05
how do you lay £1000 @ 100/1 please?
kohaku
25 Jun 13:08
500 X £2
new born
25 Jun 13:27
what horses are you laying today please ?
giotto
25 Jun 13:29
soon they arrive...if the liability is 1.000 and the horse is at 100, you lay 10 (the win) to risk 1.000
Ivor
25 Jun 13:38
You can achieve the £13k you quote - even limiting the risk to £1000? Good luck - can't see it myself sorry.
giotto
25 Jun 14:00
today's afternoon horsesMy causeway dream Muss 3.00Andorran Muss. 4.00Cottam Eclipse Muss. 4.00Smart Pick Muss. 4.30Boreana Wolv. 2.45Cranworth Blaze Wolv. 4.45
giotto
25 Jun 14:24
the night horsesAnthea Wind. 6.40Cantique Wind. 6.40Polish Red Wind. 9.10Mango Masher Wind. 9.10Chunky’s Choice Wind. 9.10Parson Hall Kylb. 7.00Ablastfromthepast Kylb. 7.00Fifispassion Kylb. 7.00Tigerbilly Kylb. 7.00Meadowstown lady Kylb. 8.00Dorans allstar Kylb. 8.00Dareisayit Kylb. 8.00Mr.Robert Kylb. 9.00
new born
25 Jun 14:49
close call boreana but winning start.
new born
25 Jun 15:35
andorran at muss. 4.00 is that a non runner ?
giotto
25 Jun 16:54
yes, andorran a NR...what u can quickly discover is that the system, quite regularly, avoids winners at big/huge odds though betting on medium/high selections..also in noon races there have benn second and thirds at big odds, that the system cut off...boreana who was secon was at 12 (SP) the winner at 14 and the third at 16...good luck for the evening...
new born
25 Jun 17:09
i noticed most of your horses drifted out ,allowing good chance to trade . only played it small time but still made £16.
new born
25 Jun 18:48
giotto you must have sweated on that one.i thought anthea was going to win.
new born
25 Jun 19:12
giotto did you lay all 4 horses at kylb 7.00 p.m for£1000 each or for acombined total of £1000.
giotto
25 Jun 19:29
sorry for the late reply( i actually don't know the result...however the combined loss must be total 1.000...or less when you lay more than one, so reducing the risk...
giotto
25 Jun 20:12
daresayit a NR at 8,00 kylbeggan
new born
25 Jun 20:14
excellent tipping geotto, guess you have made a packet today.
giotto
25 Jun 20:48
yes..but always wait the finish of stories..however i can grant you the system is "quite" perfect !! this week i'll try to post in advance , every day, all lays, because i can't follow neither tv neither in play on betfair (i'm working for the start of tipping service). Only one warning: "if" the tipped horse, significantly shortens (eg from 20 to 8) , don't lay it. or, if course conditions, significantly changes, no bet..godd luckfor calculating profit on running, also after several days try this: take the sp odd: make 1000/SP odd...you get the theoric win...(for a 20 odd, your win will be of 50). Then because we are in a non perfect world take off a 30% profit, to equalize the more profitable odds on bf, particuklarly for medium/big odds horses. If the sp is 20, chance are that bf odds were in the range 25-30 or also greater. So what winning if the sp were 30 ? (a 33% better price !). 1000/(30-1)=34,4..you'll get a very reasonable statistic quantification of running profit...good luck
giotto
25 Jun 21:10
posted before the off..many nr, so, obviously, the selections are no betting...good luck
giotto
25 Jun 21:10
9.10 windsor...
giotto
25 Jun 21:22
Statistic of 25 june25-giu SP profit placingHorse My causeway dream 50 20 6°Cottam Eclipse 14 30 4°Smart Pick 25 42 12°Boreana 12 91 2°Cranworth Blaze 50 20 10°Anthea 7,50 154 2°Parson Hall 14 77 9°Ablastfromthepast 25 42 11°Fifispassion 8 143 15°Tigerbilly 12 91 6°Meadowstown lady 33 31 PUDorans allstar 16 67 FMr.Robert 36 29 total profit 836 30% off -251 Net profit 585 layed horses 13
coffeedodger
25 Jun 21:29
Polish Red.... :-O
Smell
25 Jun 21:31
giotto
25 Jun 21:32
if you see, i writed off the bet when seen only few horses remained..check the post...thank for all suggestion and contributions
giotto
25 Jun 21:33
26 june horses
few action tomorrow...here the horses who, hopefully, won't win26 juneVampyrus 4.30 brighKnead the dough 5.00 brighFancy You 9.10 newbBellerena Beauty 6.00 sligoAmachine 6.00 sligoAlroy 6.30 sligoTilangan 7.00 sligo7 horses…
giotto
26 Jun 20:37
Hopefully the last horse at newbury won't win, so the score wil be the following..Horses SP Odds Profit placing26 june knead the dough NR vampyrus 20 50 7° Fancy You 100 10 Bellerena Beauty 16 63 16°Amachine 14 71 13°Alroy 20 50 Tilangan 33 30 16°Layed horses 6 Gross profit 274 30% deduction -82 Net profit 192 Running net profit 777 Running layed horses 19
Jaybe
26 Jun 20:59
knead the dough NR vampyrus 20 50 7° Fancy You 100 10 Bellerena Beauty 16 63 16°Amachine 14 71 13°Alroy 20 50 Tilangan 33 30 16°New to all this so could you tell me what these figure mean and also if you had a start book of 5000 how could you lay all these for 1000 liabilty?Sorry if the questions a bit dumb
giotto
26 Jun 21:39
june, 27 lay these
Bajan Parkes 3.30 carlRubilini 3.40 salStagehand 5.10 salSalisbury Plain 7.40 bathKlassen 6.20 kemptonLibras Child 6.00 naasLancer Dancer 6.00 naasFaiths Perfection 8.30 naasRoheryn 9.00 naasgood luck with these more 9 horses...
giotto
26 Jun 21:42
First number is the SP odds; the second is the forecast profit (1000/SP odds); the third is the real placing of the horse...etc etcu can lay more than one horse, in the same race, limiting the overall risk to 1.000...try without real punting(laying) in the pink section..good luck
giotto
26 Jun 21:44
what i meant is that for every race (one or more horses ) my risk is 1.000...you lay the first and, say, win 50...for the second u always risk 1.00, but u know that, if losing, u'r overall lose would be 950...and so on
boycey
27 Jun 11:06
Just read your thread, good read its nice to see someone doing well, congratulations keep up the good work
giotto
27 Jun 15:45
ty for nice comment...maybe i found the correct way, but a month and few days maybe not enough to be really "perfect"...i put just now to the pc and saw the result of my first tipping (3.30 carlisle)..as many other horses in days past, also in this race the winner was an huge odd one..i avoided it (and also the second, third and fourth...) I think this is a major feature of the sysyem..however, stay tuned..good luck for your bets !
giotto
27 Jun 15:48
also the second tip, rubilini was a non placed one..the winner a bigger odds one...
giotto
27 Jun 16:48
salisbury plain a nr at bath, 7,40...
giotto
27 Jun 17:58
17,58 naas 18,00-don't lay libras child
Lack of Sense
27 Jun 20:08
Shed some light on the reason to pull out on this one, finished 12th!!
giotto
27 Jun 20:41
a tightened filter in the system suggested it...
new born
28 Jun 00:55
system going well, 100% record so far.
giotto
28 Jun 12:06
Statistics of june, 27Horses, sp odds, profit(loss), placingHorses SP Odds profit placingBajan Parkes 20 50 6thRubilini 9 111 7thStagehand 9 111 3thSalisbury Plain NR Klassen 25 40 12thLibras Child voided 12thLancer Dancer 25 40 19thFaiths Perfection 150 7 6thRoheryn 20 50 2nd409 30% off -123 Net profit 286 Today's layed horses 7 Running profit 1063 Running layed 26
giotto
28 Jun 12:18
Big odds winners (avoided)In 25, 26, 27 june there have been, at sp odds, these:at 10 1 horse (june 26)at 11 2 horses (june, 25)at 12 1 horse (27)at 14 2 horses (25)at 16 1 horse (25)at 20 5 horses (all the 27)at 25 3 horses (1 the 26 and 2 the 27)at 33 2 horse (1 the 26 and 1 the 27)at 50 1 horse (yesterday)a whoppy total of 18 dangerous ones ...today's horses to be layed before the off..good luck
EvenMoney
28 Jun 13:18
Hi Giotto - just came accross the thread yesterday - looks impressive sofar - are there any lays for June 28th - today thanks and good luck
giotto
28 Jun 13:31
The lays of today june, 28Kind Of Fizzy 2.40 yarm now (13,20) 19 on bfSherjawy 2.40 yarm 85 on bfGrandad Bill 4.40 yarm 15 on bfStrawberry Patch 9.30 ham 18,5Makfly 4.50 warw 14,5English Archer 4.50 warw 16Safari 4.50 warw 250Hopeful Isabella 4.50 warw 14,5good luck to everybody !! remember, if a layed horse become a steamer, or (gasp!) a gamble, or there is significant course change, neutralize or avoid the bet !!
giotto
28 Jun 14:30
Serjawy a nr at yarmouth 14.40...
giotto
28 Jun 14:43
kind of fizzy a winner...
new born
28 Jun 15:18
system still showing profit though.
new born
28 Jun 16:56
well done geotto ,to lay 4 horses in 1 race takes real balls.
giotto
28 Jun 17:05
ty...
sjp
28 Jun 17:25
new born 28 Jun 16:56well done geotto ,to lay 4 horses in 1 race takes real balls.Still born more like...
giotto
28 Jun 17:31
this afternoon resulthorses layed 6winner 1betfair odds available for today's horses and profit/losskind of fizzy -1000grandad bill @ 10 on bf +111makfly@ 14,5 on bf +74english archer @ 16 +67safari@ 250 +4hopeful isabella @ 8 +143net loss before this evening lay -601running results from monday june, 25thhorses layed so far 32winner 1running profit +462remember tonight lay: strawberry patch 9.30 hamilton...avaliable bf odds unchanged..a whoppy +57 to be win ...good luck and good dinner to everybody
giotto
28 Jun 21:39
Residual profits...when 1 concentrate on big odds losers, trying to avoid big odds winners, sometimes happens 1 is so lucky to lay an "almost" gamble (strawberry patch for the perfectsystem) and to back first and second of the races @ 30 the winner and @ 18,5 the second...O GB / Ham (GB) 28 giugno / 22:30 6f Hcap Dematraf 'Punta' 3358179919 28-giu-0722:12 18,5 20,00 18,5 28-giu-07 22:12 O GB / Ham (GB) 28 giugno / 22:30 6f Hcap Night In 'Punta' 3358179920 28-giu-0722:12 29 20,00 30
giotto
28 Jun 21:43
End of day 28th..today layed horses 7winning horse 1layed horses so far 33winning horse 1today's profit(loss) (544)running profit 519 from day 25th of junegodd night to everybody
new born
28 Jun 21:49
geotto what price did you manage to get on straw. patch. price dropped just before the off.
giotto
28 Jun 21:56
yes i know, but i was already on 18,5...u won more if you got the ultimate odd
giotto
29 Jun 09:59
Horses to be layed on 29th
Here are 12 new perfect losers...
Hilltop Fantasy 3.30 folkst
Princess Kai 3.30 folkst
Barneys Luck 4.10 market ras
Land Ahoy 2.20 wolver
Royal Guest 4.20 wolver
Hoh Wotanite 4.50 wolver
Last Warrior 6.30 curragh
Sciatin 7.00 curragh
Spainnash 8.00 curragh
Belle Of Kintyre 8.00 curragh
Silver Sail 6.45 newc
Ivana Illyich 7.45 newc
good job and good luck to everybody
CZECH
29 Jun 11:56
Hilltop Fantasy 3.30 folkst ????what is that 3.30I don't understand thatTHX
giotto
29 Jun 15:47
hiltop was a nr at 3.30 folks...i always post early in the morning or the nigt before, so may happen some expected runners don't play the game...
giotto
29 Jun 16:50
hoh wotanmite a significant gamble...scratch it and avoid the bet
giotto
29 Jun 18:35
silversail a nr at newcastle 18,45
giotto
29 Jun 18:51
also sciatin, curragh 7,00 a non runner...
new born
29 Jun 20:28
excellent day geotto every horse awinner.
giotto
29 Jun 23:34
june, 29 -results
Horses layed 8
Profit 434
Running horse layed so far 41
winning 1
Running profit 953 from june, 25th
giotto
29 Jun 23:37
I previously tipped 12 horses but 3 were non runners and one i suggested to avoid the bet owing to a significant gamble (the horse, hoh wotanite was however a loser albeit 2nd...)good night to everybody
giotto
30 Jun 11:05
june, 30
few action today...
Hugs ´n Kisses 4.15 curragh @34
Ahlawy 4.55 newcastle @20
Sienna Storm 4.15 windsor @15
Silca Key 5.45 lingfield @14
odds available on bf at 11 in the morning.good luck to everybody
new born
30 Jun 11:17
which horse for 11 geottto?
new born
01 Jul 11:00
any horses for today geotto ?
giotto
01 Jul 16:24
Stats to end of juneafter 6 working days, from 25th, the system generated
45 horses to be layed.
44 successful losers,
1 winner.
the yesterday profit was +285,
so the running profit is 1238.
in the period 25-30 of june, the system avoided 55 big odds horses whose sp was 10/1 or bigger (on bf these prices are significantly bigger).
The statistics is: 5 the 25th , 3 the 26th, 10 the 27th, 18 the 28th, 7 the 29th, 12 the 30.In total 5 were@ 10, 5 @11,7@12,19@14,7@16,6@20,3@25,2@33,1@50...
giotto
01 Jul 16:27
For new bornNo, sorry...few action, sunday, heavy (changed) courses...a terrible mix...a lovely rest, and, maybe, some more days in july of free tipping...good luck to u, a loyal supporter as i can see...are u significantly winning or just few chips for test ? cheers
joecool
01 Jul 16:57
well done giotto you are good at what you do thanks.
new born
01 Jul 18:00
geotto - just picking up afew titbits here and there. never like to risk more than £100.
giotto
02 Jul 09:43
july, 2
try this amusing losers for today
Cape Dancer 2.45 ponte
Present 3.30 wolver
Salisbury Plain 9.10 winds
good luck to everybody
new born
02 Jul 11:25
cape dancer a non runner ?
giotto
02 Jul 22:57
yes i also got a nr in my few tips of today...however the today's small profit(70) raises the running profit to 1308 and running winning tips to 47 on a total of 48. I expect tomorrow a more dynamic action...good night to everybody
The Swinging Magpie
02 Jul 22:59
Well done friend, keep going, hope you dont get caught at those big prices though !!
giotto
02 Jul 23:09
well as i already told the system seems quite able to avoid many huge prize winners..today, i saw there was a 14/1, 12/1, 25/1 winner (SP, so bigger on bf) that the system neglected...nowadays, on over 350 horses layed, only three won that is really satisfactory...in future will be other winning horse, it's for sure, but i've quite peace of mind that average will be something like 1/100..everyone can see the huge potential of this...ty for your support. good night and we'll read later.
giotto
03 Jul 09:33
july, 3rd-today's tips
Here are 11 perfect losers...stay in touch with possible late adjustments...good luck to everybody
Bold Diva 2.30 brigh
Don´Tcallmeginger 4.00 brigh
Seesawmilu 2.15 ham
Newcastles Owen 2.15 ham
Following Flow 2.15 ham
One And Gone 2.45 ham
Polish Star 3.45 ham
Opera Crown 8.00 lingf
Inchloss 6.45 thirsk
Titinius 7.15 thirsk
Contemplation 7.45 thirsk
giotto
03 Jul 14:04
Non runners
all action at thirsk was nr and also polish star...so 4 less lays for today...good luck with others
giotto
03 Jul 16:55
one still remaining tonitethe afternoon action is finished and the six horse tipped all lost. For the moment the daily profit is up to 251...see u later for definite balance...
new born
03 Jul 20:08
good day again geotto ,well done.
giotto
03 Jul 20:52
July, 3rd
Today's profit +308Today's successful tips 7/7Running profit from june,25 +1616Running successful layed horses 54/55Good night to everybody and we'll see tomorrow for more successfull losers....
redfred
03 Jul 20:54
just seen your thread. impressive .have tried with daily bonkey and when u look at cumulative money for the month it looks great but when u copy it and the horse wins it uses the sp to calculate the loss and on bfthe odds are usually a lot more .can i ask do u use sp or bf odds if the horse wins.i realise its your system and only a couple of winners is great
new born
03 Jul 21:26
redfred odds calculated at s.p +30 %.
giotto
04 Jul 09:32
odds...more correctly, when i'm not to the pc, so i can't register the bf price, I use the sp odds, increasing it with a 30%, which seems fair...when i'm to the pc i use directly bf prices...i also tried to use bf prices when i post, but as u can see, i post well in advance of the off, and most markets are inisgnificant for volumes and prices..thanks for appreciation
giotto
04 Jul 10:30
july,4th
Here are a few losers....the continuing waterlogging cost us a lot of money !!... good luck to everybody
Utrillo´s Art 5.35 catt
Soranna 6.00 leop
Bellerena Beauty 6.00 leop
Bold Bibi 6.00 leop
Dafaroun 6.30 leop